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== Auto implement [[Template:longitem]] ==

I have recently been adding {{tl|longitem}} to numerous Infoboxes ([[Special:Diff/1343081710/1353100912|example]]) to better wrap long items in labels. It has occurred to me, shouldn't this be automatic? Is there any situation where you would '''not''' want better wrap labels that take up 2 lines? It would seem to me that it would be a much better solution to automatically do this at the level of {{tl|Infobox}}/[[Module:Infobox]] rather then having to individually wrap any infobox label that has the potential to wrap to a second line. 

If there is an objection to automatically implementing this on every infobox, could we implement it but ''hide'' it behind a flag like {{para|auto_longitem}} (to mimic the way {{para|autoheaders}} is used)? 

Boils down to 2 questions:
# Is there any objection to adding such a feature?
# How technically feasible is it to achieve?

Pinging users who have done major work on this module: {{ping|Izno|Fayenatic london|Pppery|Plastikspork|Frietjes|Gonnym|Primefac}} '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 17:50, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

:I don't see a need for something needed so irregularly in a generic template. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:47, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
::{{ping|izno}} can you say more? {{tq|Needed so irregularly}}? It seems to be used quite a lot so not sure I understand your meaning? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 18:58, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
:::You've added it to a dozen templates in the past month and a half but only to a handful of parameters each. It doesn't need to be supported at that level of use. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:03, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
::::I guess my point is rather than having to add it one by one, wouldn't it be easier to just have it automatically implemented? I'm genuinely asking as I don't have enough of an understanding of the Module to know, is there a downside to automatically wrapping long labels with less padding that would make this a bad idea to do? I agree I've only added it to a few templates recently, but wouldn't it be better to not have to search for these cases and manually add it and instead have it automatically done. What am I missing? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:06, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::So I was able to pretty quickly and easily achieve this with [[Special:Diff/1316064257/1353378980|this edit]] to [[Module:Infobox/styles.css]]. Please someone let me know (or simply revert it) if there is any issue with this that I am overlooking. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 23:06, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::Ugh so it caused an issue with [[Template:Infobox soap character]]. Open to ideas... '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 02:25, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] Never ever make test edits to a module so widely transcluded. Please don't do that again. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:53, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::To be fair, I tested the edits repeatedly... My edit summary doesn't accurately portray that and I will be sure to better summarize in the future. This was quite extensively tested. An unforeseen '''very minor''' issue cropped up and I '''immediately''' reverted my edit, but this was a minor style issue. It is not like I blanked data or broke templates. Your warning is noted, but I feel overly dramatic. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 15:56, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I could have told you, if that was what you intended to implement, that it would cause issues. It is not a minor issue. I could have told you that your change would break how the template works if you had proposed the actual change on the talk page using a sandbox (and would probably also affect mobile poorly, based on the specific change). Do better.
::::::::An immediate revert is insufficient; you're still dropping 3 million pages into the job queue. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:00, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Making that change is also incompatible with where the template will eventually go (see [[User:Izno/Sandbox/Infobox]]).
::::::::If you want to handle long items, you will need to continue implementing them ad hoc. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:01, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Izno}} that is duly noted. I felt I tried to solicit your input and you were pretty dismissive of the idea as a whole. In the future I will be more careful and I do apologize. I admit I completely neglected to realize that I was {{Tq|dropping 3 million pages into the job queue}}. Clearly I still have lots to learn. Rest assured I hear you loud and clear and I will do better moving forward. I '''had''' planned to continue with this idea at [[Module:Infobox/styles.css/sandbox]] '''and''' to request a review and leave it to someone else to actually implement in the live version of the code. Based on the wholly negative reaction I guess it is best to just walk away and focus on other projects. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 16:06, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping, but this is beyond my skill set. I merely updated some category names. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:34, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

==Dark Mode==
I'm confused. Why exactly is Infobox styling completely hidden in dark mode while other CSS isn't? <span style="font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: 16px;">--'''''[[User:DollarStoreBa'al|<span style="color:#023020">DollarStoreBa'al</span>]][[User Talk:DollarStoreBa'al|<sup><span style="color:#000080">Converse</span></sup>]]'''''</span> 22:44, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

== Blank rows on child infoboxes.... ==

There was previously a discussion [[Template_talk:Infobox/Archive_20#Can_the_blank_rows_on_child_infoboxes_be_fixed?|here]] about blank rows on child infoboxes. Looks like the thread went stale and was never addressed. To recap and restate what {{u|Prefall}} said in the initial post which arose because of an issue with {{tl|Infobox social media personality}}

{{tqb|the blank rows are related to embedding using {{para|child|yes}}. Almost all of the [[Template:Infobox social media personality/testcases|testcases]] have a blank line or two, on both desktop and mobile, with this markup:

<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" style="overflow: auto"><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-full-data"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1316064257"></td></tr></syntaxhighlight>

One blank line is always created at the beginning of this wrapper template (in-between {{tl|Infobox person}}'s rows and the custom rows for this infobox), and a second is created when embedding this template into another. Both are direct results of {{para|child|yes}}, which creates a blank row where {{para|title}} would be listed. It simply does not suppress this row if the title is left blank. The blank row does NOT occur if you embed using {{para|subbox|yes}} instead.
This issue is actually already mentioned at [[Template:Infobox#Embedding]]. A workaround/solution is listed but it would have to be applied everywhere that {{para|child|yes}} is used. This is something that should be fixed directly at [[Module:Infobox]] instead.
}}

I am seeing this in many, many places and wondering if someone with more experience that I can help trace this down. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 23:23, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

:I have added a '''very''' simplistic [[Template:Infobox/testcases#Blank_row_behavior|testcase here]] to show the issue. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 23:38, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Izno}} is this something you can provide any guidance on? I'm certainly not going to push any changes live without a review but after my experience above I'm a bit wary here... '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 03:55, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Frietjes}} any ideas here? Even a nudge in the right direction would be appreciated... Spent some time playing with it but got nowhere. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 23:31, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
::[[Special:Diff/1327161879/1357499550]], maybe? [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 00:25, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::And the gold star goes to [[User:Anomie|Anomie]]!!! That definitely seems to solve the issue I was seeing. {{ping|Prefall}} can you confirm? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 00:28, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::::I just tried some local tests and it worked on all of the nesting combinations I could think of. Amazing work, {{ping|Anomie}} thanks! This has been bugging me for so long. [[User:Prefall|<span style="color: #990000">Pre</span>]]'''[[User talk:Prefall|<span style="color: #990000">fall</span>]]''' 01:34, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::Having scrolled through the [[Template:Infobox/testcases|Infobox/testcases]], I am not seeing any issues that this has caused. {{ping|Anomie}} are you comfortable merging? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 05:04, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::This should be merged as a templatestyles adjustment with a class. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 06:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::It seems [[User:Izno|Izno]] has ideas for doing it differently, so I'll hold off pending that proposal. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 11:29, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Izno}} can you clarify what the issue is with the way {{u|Anomie}} has solved this long standing issue or implement your proposed solution? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 17:54, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It's just a minor change [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Infobox/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1357646589], with the appropriate add in the styles sheet.
:::::::Beginning to wonder whether the right approach should be to move TemplateStyles totally outside the infobox instead of the shiftery that goes on at [[Module:Infobox#L-61]]. See e.g. <code>hiding_templatestyles</code> in [[Module:Navbox]] for something similar.
:::::::As I said earlier this should be a non-issue at some point in the future, right now it's all happening because we're hacking around the infobox being a table. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:46, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Awesome thanks for making this happen. Hopefully this does become a non-issue in the future! '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 20:59, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Izno}} is it safe to add the appropriate code to [[Module:Infobox/styles.css]] or should I create [[Module:Infobox/styles.css/sandbox]] to properly test this? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 05:27, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::[[Module:Infobox/sandbox/styles.css]] is where it would exist if you wanted to check it for yourself. I just assumed that Anomie would revisit. :^) [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 05:42, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I wasn't sure where the sandbox went in that title. Thank you. {{ping|Anomie}} do you want to implement this new solution or shall I? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 16:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::You can go for it if you want. I'm a bit busy at the moment. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 17:25, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::After testing, this solution appears to be working. {{ping|Izno}} can you you please review [[Module:Infobox/sandbox/styles.css]] and [[Module:Infobox/sandbox]] and confirm you aren't seeing something I'm missing? Having checked all the test cases, I see nothing broken and the identified issue resolved. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 18:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::If you want to, go for it. Just make sure to target the right styles page from the main module when you copy it over. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 22:28, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::{{done}} Good reminder! Thank you. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 01:00, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Zackmann08}} I noticed this fix has now been deployed across infoboxes, and it's working on desktop view, but not on mobile view. I specifically tested mobile view when I left my previous comment, and it was working then. The class with "display: none" seems to be getting overwritten on mobile by another CSS rule with "display: flex". Not sure if this is the best way to solve this, but adding "!important" to the hidden class worked for me locally. [[User:Prefall|<span style="color: #990000">Pre</span>]]'''[[User talk:Prefall|<span style="color: #990000">fall</span>]]''' 20:11, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::Rather than <code>!important</code>, it might make more sense to add a selector for <code>body.skin--responsive.skin-minerva .infobox > tbody > tr.infobox-hiddenrow</code> to override the problematic rule from the Minerva skin. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 21:40, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Knowing very little about the different skins or the differences in views between mobile and desktop, I'm going to abstain here... Happy to help if I can but this is a bit over my head. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorted. I am annoyed by the upstream specificity. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:51, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
{{Infobox historic site
| name = Infobox historic site
| architecture   = architecture
| embedded       = {{Infobox NRHP
| embed     = yes
| name      = Infobox NRHP
}}
}}
{{ping|Anomie}} and all, I'm also still seeing an issue here on desktop actually... Found on [[Jere Shine site]] by reproduced at right. Hust about the call to {{tl|Infobox NRHP}} there is still an extra row being shown. --'''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 00:49, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
: Looks like {{tl|Infobox NRHP}} doesn't have anything to do with it; instead, it's a use of {{tl|Infobox designation list}} internal to {{tl|Infobox historic site}} where no designations are provided so it produces a stylesheet but zero rows; the fix above assumed there would always be at least one row. The fix I'd recommend here is different: there are already checks in various places like <syntaxhighlight lang=lua inline>if rowArgs.data and rowArgs.data:gsub(category_in_empty_row_pattern, ''):match('^%S') then</syntaxhighlight> that are detecting when the data is empty except for categories; those checks should probably be extended to also exclude TemplateStyles stylesheets. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 12:24, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::Same discussion is happening at [[#Template:Infobox biathlete produces an unwanted header even when there isn't any data shown]] &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:53, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Give [[Special:Diff/1363083377]] a try. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 23:07, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

== Athlete infoboxes and personal lives ==

So this topic obviously is ultimately connected to the absolute overabundance of news over Kelce and Swift (''groan''), but I've actually found it odd for a while that athlete infoboxes never seem to cover personal lives. Marriages, children, etc. Seems like every other type of infobox for a person, be it celebrity or politician or serial killer, has a section in their infobox for notable family members of some kind. So why not athletes? [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:#000999;">Schiffy</span>]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF6600;">Speak to me</span>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF0000;">What I've done</span>]]) 13:37, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:This page is more about the function of the template and not so much why certain templates are the way they are. You can try asking on one of the sports person infoboxes, on [[WT:SPORTS]], or on [[WT:WikiProject Templates]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:42, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Schiffy}} See also my reply at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians#Why do modern musician articles so rarely feature a personal life section?]] --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:12, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::Sure but in this case, for both the athlete and the musician, we're not exactly hurting for a source. And, although this seems like an anti-Wikipedian sentiment on its surface, I feel like there's some things where the source really is just "public knowledge", such as a marriage existing. If one or both people openly acknowledge that they are married, I feel that should be good enough (unless those people are known for lying). [[User:Schiffy|<span style="color:#000999;">Schiffy</span>]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF6600;">Speak to me</span>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<span style="color:#FF0000;">What I've done</span>]]) 16:22, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Template:Infobox biathlete produces an unwanted header even when there isn't any data shown ==

[[Template:Infobox biathlete]] produces an unwanted header even when there isn't any data shown. I'm not sure what is triggering this or how to fix this.

Template:Infobox biathlete wraps [[Template:Infobox sportsperson]]. The issue is in the "Sports" section (from header33 to data55 ({{para|module2}})). Template:Infobox biathlete's entire data is via {{para|module2}}.

Example of the issue:
{{Infobox biathlete
| full_name        = full name
}}
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">
{{Infobox biathlete
| full_name        = full name
}}
</syntaxhighlight>
[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 19:18, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:This is a weird one... My '''guess''' is that this is related to [[Special:Diff/1360755019|this change]] that {{U|Primefac}} made to {{tl|Infobox sportsperson}} regarding the use of {{para|autoheaders|yes}}. I did some testing and in the above example, {{para|module2}} definitely should be null so I see no reason that this should be happening... It may be that due Infobox sportsperson being a wrapper, info doesn't percolate correctly?
:{{ping|Trappist the monk}} You seem to really understand [[Module:Template wrapper]], having written most of it... Can you perhaps spot an issue here or shed any light on where the problem may lay? '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 20:09, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::Doesn't the table caption arise from this snippet in {{tlx|infobox sportsperson}}?
:::<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline="1">|title=...<div class="fn">{{If empty|{{{name|}}}|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}}}</div>...</syntaxhighlight>
::That being true, this has nothing to do with [[Module:Template wrapper]].
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 21:27, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Trappist the monk}} I think you are missing the issue here... The problem is not the title. It is the presence of the header saying "Sport" which should not be appearing... '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 21:31, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::Right.  Same sort of issue that has nothing to do with [[Module:Template wrapper]].  In {{tlx|infobox sportsperson}} this:
:::::<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline="1">| header33  = {{#ifeq:{{If empty|{{{child|}}}|{{{embed|}}}}}|yes||{{If empty|{{{career_header|}}}|Sport}}}}</syntaxhighlight>
::::{{tld|infobox sportsperson}} is the wrapped template so neither of {{para|child}} and {{para|embed}} are set to <code>yes</code>; {{para|career_header}} is not set so {{para|header33}} gets <code>Sport</code>.
::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 22:06, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Trappist the monk}} sorry but you still aren't following. The problem is that in {{tl|Infobox sportsperson}} autoheaders is turned on. Despite there '''seemingly '''being nothing passed to {{para|module2}} by {{tl|Infobox biathlete}}, {{tl|Infobox sportsperson}} is seeing that value as not null and therefore triggering the autoheader to turn on. It doesn't matter what the value for {{para|header33}} is in sportsperson, it should not be displaying at all in the example that {{u|Gonnym}} supplied at the start of this thread. I want to be clear, I'm not suggesting there is a problem with the Template wrapper module... I'm just trying to figure out WHERE the problem lies and why it isn't working at the moment. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 22:12, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Copy the entire value assigned to {{para|module2}} in {{tlx|Infobox biathlete}} ({{tld|infobox ...}}).  Paste that into [[Special:ExpandTemplates]].  Click ok.  Note the result.
::::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 22:47, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Much appreciated Trappist! 
:::::::{{ping|Gonnym}} it looks like {{code|<nowiki><templatestyles src="Module:Infobox/styles.css"></templatestyles></nowiki>}} is being supplied to {{para|module2}}... So somewhere we have to perform the full check. Either in {{tl|Infobox sportsperson}} or in {{tl|Infobox biathlete}}...
:::::::OR we need to somehow modify {{tl|Infobox}} to not generate the template styles for an empty Infobox. Either one would work me thinks. '''[[User:Zackmann08|<span style="color:#00d5ff !important">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94 !important">mann</span>]]''' (<sup>[[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|<span style="color:orange !important">What I been doing</span>]]</sub>) 23:06, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The module should strip out templatestyles if that is the only thing that is passed when it checks for emptyness. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:27, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Ok, looking at the code in debug it seems that at [[Module:Infobox#L-379]] the data's value is <code>'"`UNIQ--templatestyles-00000000-QINU`"'</code> and does not pass the if check. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:41, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Izno|Izno]] can the module be modified to ignore rows if this is the only data in it? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:41, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

== Edit request 10 July 2026 ==

{{Edit template-protected|Module:Infobox|answered=y}}

'''Description of suggested change:''' <!-- Place a description of your suggested change below this comment. Be sure to explain why your edit is needed. If your edit is more than one or two sentences, then delete the "Diff:" text below, put your changes in this template's sandbox and link to the sandbox below. -->
Modify [[Module:Infobox]] to remove <code>force</code> as an accepted argument for {{para|italic title}}, as it lacks a unique functionality and is a holdover from before {{tl|Infobox}} and {{tl|Italic title}} switched from wikitext to Lua implementations. Past page revisions ([[Special:PermanentLink/557090260|here]] and [[Special:PermanentLink/441863713|here]]) show that it had a functional purpose back then that wasn't preserved during the transition. Allowing <code>force</code> to remain an option when it no longer has any purpose is unnecessary and confusing to people unfamiliar with Lua; nowadays, regex searches ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3AInfobox+insource%3A%2Fitalic+%2Btitle+*%3D+*force%2Fi+insource%3Aforce&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns1728=1&ns1729=1 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3AInfobox+insource%3A%2Fitalic_title+*%3D+*force%2Fi+insource%3Aforce&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns1728=1&ns1729=1 here]) show that {{para|italic title|force}} is completely unused, meaning that this change won't affect any pages.

'''Diff:'''
{{Text diff
|1=<!-- Replace "ORIGINAL_WIKITEXT" (below this line) with the wikitext (source code) that you want to be changed. -->
if italicTitle == '' or italicTitle == 'force' or italicTitle == 'yes' then
|2=<!-- Replace "CHANGED_WIKITEXT" (below this line) with your requested new wikitext. -->
if italicTitle == '' or italicTitle == 'yes' then
}}
[[User:IdiosyncraticLawyer|IdiosyncraticLawyer]] ([[User talk:IdiosyncraticLawyer|talk]]) 14:53, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

:This seems fine as that option is not mentioned anywhere in the documentation &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:23, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
::Please perform the edit, then. [[User:IdiosyncraticLawyer|IdiosyncraticLawyer]] ([[User talk:IdiosyncraticLawyer|talk]]) 12:19, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
:::{{not done for now}}<nowiki />''':'''<!-- Template:ETp --> I don't want to dump 3.4 ''million'' pages into the job queue for such a small change. Perhaps we can bundle this with something more substantial at a later date. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
::::There's the discussion above about an extra header showing up in some cases, that would probably be fixed by [[Special:Diff/1363083377]] if someone wants to give that some more thorough testing. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 21:59, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

== Chess diagram template used in Infoboxes needs tech sppt ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zukertort_Opening#Chess_diagram_inside_Infobox_renders_incorrectly Andriod or mobile widget puts chessboard algebraic notations (both 1 thru 8, and 'a' thru 'h') off the mark]. --[[User:Ihardlythinkso|IHTS]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso#top|talk]]) 05:14, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

:This is caused by [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages/+/1a4642a99a98083b8efd12fd801564d9eb09ea07/modules/ext.wikimediamessages.styles/infobox.less#31 ext.wikimediamessages.styles/infobox.less]. @[[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]], do you have a recommendation that isn't TemplateStyles to deal with that? I think that's what I'll have to do but there might be something else to fix it locally. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 06:38, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Izno|Izno]] For now [[Template:Infobox chess opening/styles.css]] should fix the issue.
::On long term, I'd recommend we copy those styles over to the Infobox stylesheet and then add a not selector e.g something like. .infobox table:not( .notransform ) [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:20, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
:::An even shorter term that will fix it permanently will be turning off the WikimediaMessages styles, since they're a bit scatter-gun anyway. Which will happen after the TemplateStyles transition. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:02, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
:::And that addition wasn't so bad either actually. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:03, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! --[[User:Ihardlythinkso|IHTS]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso#top|talk]]) 03:25, 12 August 2026 (UTC)